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	<title>Comments on: The Ptolemaic zodiac: from where the sun shines</title>
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		<title>By: History Hunters International</title>
		<link>http://historyhuntersinternational.org/2010/05/15/the-ptolemaic-zodiac-from-where-the-sun-shines/comment-page-1/#comment-270</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I am very happy you found us, Tethy. Thank you for your kind words.
Though Mithras and other cults are called mysteries, I think veneration of the sun is obvious, for it is the most observable celestial object and the giver of life. The moon is its counterpart and I feel sure that this is how the twins of Cleopatra and Mark Antony were named Alexander Helios and Cleopatra Selene, for whom the world was divided into two, for them to inherit.
The zodiac became the mechanism of (dynastic) power, linking the sciences and divination at the centre of worship. That the only contemporaneous witness to the life of Alexander the Great is an astronomical diary, recording how he used astrological prediction to scare off the defending army opposing his progress, is not coincidental.
I think that we have yet to explore fully all the avenues of history leading from the zodiac.
Please stay with us and enjoy the journey.
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I am very happy you found us, Tethy. Thank you for your kind words.<br />
Though Mithras and other cults are called mysteries, I think veneration of the sun is obvious, for it is the most observable celestial object and the giver of life. The moon is its counterpart and I feel sure that this is how the twins of Cleopatra and Mark Antony were named Alexander Helios and Cleopatra Selene, for whom the world was divided into two, for them to inherit.<br />
The zodiac became the mechanism of (dynastic) power, linking the sciences and divination at the centre of worship. That the only contemporaneous witness to the life of Alexander the Great is an astronomical diary, recording how he used astrological prediction to scare off the defending army opposing his progress, is not coincidental.<br />
I think that we have yet to explore fully all the avenues of history leading from the zodiac.<br />
Please stay with us and enjoy the journey.<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: butterfly tethy</title>
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		<dc:creator>butterfly tethy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 06:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading Fred Gettings, &#039;The Secret Zodiac: The Hidden Art in Mediaeval Astrology&#039; and was lead to do some research on the &#039;Sun Mysteries&#039;, which research of course has to pass through the medieval period and any earlier zodiacs that I can get hold of, so I was delighted to find this site and would like to thank you for these early Synagogue zodiac pictures which demonstrate an earlier phase of sun mysteries arising out of the mix of cultures.&#160;
Fred Gettings book is based around the zodiac of San Miniato which appears to display a mirror image of the order of the zodiac signs. Is this a one off or are there others? Can anyone help?
Another interesting link to the sun mysteries that I found was an essay by Max Pulver, &#039;Jesus&#039; Round Dance&#039;, issued in &#039;The Mysteries&#039;, papers from the Eranos Yearbook 1955.
Very glad to have found this site and enjoy the posts.
Tethy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading Fred Gettings, &#039;The Secret Zodiac: The Hidden Art in Mediaeval Astrology&#039; and was lead to do some research on the &#039;Sun Mysteries&#039;, which research of course has to pass through the medieval period and any earlier zodiacs that I can get hold of, so I was delighted to find this site and would like to thank you for these early Synagogue zodiac pictures which demonstrate an earlier phase of sun mysteries arising out of the mix of cultures.&nbsp;<br />
Fred Gettings book is based around the zodiac of San Miniato which appears to display a mirror image of the order of the zodiac signs. Is this a one off or are there others? Can anyone help?<br />
Another interesting link to the sun mysteries that I found was an essay by Max Pulver, &#039;Jesus&#039; Round Dance&#039;, issued in &#039;The Mysteries&#039;, papers from the Eranos Yearbook 1955.<br />
Very glad to have found this site and enjoy the posts.<br />
Tethy</p>
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		<title>By: Palm Beach Bulgaria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palm Beach Bulgaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Admin: The European Huns used the Chinese Zodiac complete with “dragon”, “pig”. This common Chinese-Turkic Zodiac was in use in Balkan Bulgaria well into the Bulgars&#8217; adoption of Slavic language and Orthodox Christianity. Lancelotto </description>
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		<title>By: Lancelotto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lancelotto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 03:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Solomon, Philostratus, and Readers,

Roman Catholicism is but one expression of the complex syncretism of Judaism with Hellenistic religious forms. That its most recent expression is flawed and far from perfect is almost an altruism in the symbolic sense.  I do not think that any of the world religions can really come to terms with the present future looming before us unless all of them confront what is really a historical crisis represented by the 1st and 2nd centuries CE.  This crisis may be roughly formulated along the troublesome axis of disagreement between the archaeological record for the 1st and 2nd centuries CE and the historical one handed down to posterity via Eusebius and Iranaeus for the same period.  Much of what remains to be untangled lies under a thick layer of sediment formed from the residues of struggle for political and economic power: ancient religion merged these spheres of power seamlessly into the fabric of family-client relationships within both the city state and later the empire.

The struggle however open at times and however seemingly muted in the West continues to this day. For some serious theological perspective on the Catholic Church from the perspective of a personality who knew the current Pope way-back-when, and was in fact his boss way-back-then, here is Hans Kung&#039;s take on modern Catholicism and where it is headed.

Best - Lancelotto

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Solomon, Philostratus, and Readers,</p>
<p>Roman Catholicism is but one expression of the complex syncretism of Judaism with Hellenistic religious forms. That its most recent expression is flawed and far from perfect is almost an altruism in the symbolic sense.  I do not think that any of the world religions can really come to terms with the present future looming before us unless all of them confront what is really a historical crisis represented by the 1st and 2nd centuries CE.  This crisis may be roughly formulated along the troublesome axis of disagreement between the archaeological record for the 1st and 2nd centuries CE and the historical one handed down to posterity via Eusebius and Iranaeus for the same period.  Much of what remains to be untangled lies under a thick layer of sediment formed from the residues of struggle for political and economic power: ancient religion merged these spheres of power seamlessly into the fabric of family-client relationships within both the city state and later the empire.</p>
<p>The struggle however open at times and however seemingly muted in the West continues to this day. For some serious theological perspective on the Catholic Church from the perspective of a personality who knew the current Pope way-back-when, and was in fact his boss way-back-then, here is Hans Kung&#8217;s take on modern Catholicism and where it is headed.</p>
<p>Best &#8211; Lancelotto</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 20:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
Two other posts seem relevant to this zodiac theme:

- &lt;a href=&quot;http://historyhuntersinternational.org/2010/04/22/the-god-of-merchandise/&quot;&gt;The god of merchandise&lt;/a&gt;
  This is Budha.

- &lt;a href=&quot;http://historyhuntersinternational.org/2010/04/20/three-hares-of-the-silk-road/&quot;&gt;Three Hares of the Silk Road&lt;/a&gt;
  This iconic theme began in China and spread along the trade routes to end up in English churches.

The Sheng xiao - Chinese Zodiac - is divided into years rather than months, contrary to the association with animals implied in the Greek etymology of &quot;zodiac&quot;, and is not associated with constellations, let alone those spanned by the ecliptic plane.

In Chinese astrology the animal signs assigned by year represent what others perceive you as being or how you present yourself.

The 12 animals are also linked to the traditional Chinese agricultural calendar, which runs alongside the better known lunar calendar. Instead of months, this calendar is divided into 24 two week segments known as Solar Terms. Each animal is linked to two of these solar terms for a period similar to the Western month.

The Rabbit ( ? ) (also translated as Hare) is the fourth animal in the 12-year cycle of the Chinese zodiac.

Hares are the intuitive diplomats in Chinese Astrology.

Colour is green (the same as Budha).

The Chinese zodiac, though not entirely identical with the Greek zodiac, nonetheless shares with it the duodecimal system and the idea of using animals as numerical symbols. This is a hint for the triangular relations between early Chinese, Mesopotamian and Greek cultures.

When the Bulgars, an early Turkic tribe within the Hun tribal federation that invaded Europe at the end of the Roman Empire, brought with them the very same Chinese zodiac.

The European Huns used the Chinese Zodiac complete with &quot;dragon&quot;, &quot;pig&quot;. This common Chinese-Turkic Zodiac was in use in Balkan Bulgaria well into the Bulgars&#039; adoption of Slavic language and Orthodox Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two other posts seem relevant to this zodiac theme:</p>
<p>- <a href="http://historyhuntersinternational.org/2010/04/22/the-god-of-merchandise/">The god of merchandise</a><br />
  This is Budha.</p>
<p>- <a href="http://historyhuntersinternational.org/2010/04/20/three-hares-of-the-silk-road/">Three Hares of the Silk Road</a><br />
  This iconic theme began in China and spread along the trade routes to end up in English churches.</p>
<p>The Sheng xiao &#8211; Chinese Zodiac &#8211; is divided into years rather than months, contrary to the association with animals implied in the Greek etymology of &#8220;zodiac&#8221;, and is not associated with constellations, let alone those spanned by the ecliptic plane.</p>
<p>In Chinese astrology the animal signs assigned by year represent what others perceive you as being or how you present yourself.</p>
<p>The 12 animals are also linked to the traditional Chinese agricultural calendar, which runs alongside the better known lunar calendar. Instead of months, this calendar is divided into 24 two week segments known as Solar Terms. Each animal is linked to two of these solar terms for a period similar to the Western month.</p>
<p>The Rabbit ( ? ) (also translated as Hare) is the fourth animal in the 12-year cycle of the Chinese zodiac.</p>
<p>Hares are the intuitive diplomats in Chinese Astrology.</p>
<p>Colour is green (the same as Budha).</p>
<p>The Chinese zodiac, though not entirely identical with the Greek zodiac, nonetheless shares with it the duodecimal system and the idea of using animals as numerical symbols. This is a hint for the triangular relations between early Chinese, Mesopotamian and Greek cultures.</p>
<p>When the Bulgars, an early Turkic tribe within the Hun tribal federation that invaded Europe at the end of the Roman Empire, brought with them the very same Chinese zodiac.</p>
<p>The European Huns used the Chinese Zodiac complete with &#8220;dragon&#8221;, &#8220;pig&#8221;. This common Chinese-Turkic Zodiac was in use in Balkan Bulgaria well into the Bulgars&#8217; adoption of Slavic language and Orthodox Christianity.</p>
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