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Author Topic: Nuestra Se�ora de las Mercedes  (Read 2073 times)
Description: Spanish frigate sunk off the Algarve coast, Portugal, in 1804
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2007, 01:05:51 PM »


Odyssey informed Spanish authorities - Spain respects Gibraltar waters

gibfocus - 12th July 2007
(2007-07-12 11:25:00 )

A new twist to the Odyssey Story

The "detention" of the Ocean Alert has taken everyone by surprise this morning after both the Gibraltar and British Officials indicated that whilst aware that the vessel was leaving and would be boarded they indicated that they had been made to believe that the vessels would not be arrested.

The comments were made by both when asked to comment on whether they were aware that the Odyssey Marine exploration vessels were to leave Gibraltar waters.

The whole departure was from the initial moments staged in full as a diplomatic agreement had been reached to allow the Spanish authorities to board the Ocean Alert, and search it. As reports of the vessel suggested that the Ocean Alert had been arrested gibfocus has confirmed that it has not been officially arrested, but it has been ordered into a Spanish port.

At around 7.30am this morning the first signs that a conclusion to the Odyssey saga was being reached could be seen with the Spanish naval vessel anchored off the Bay of Gibraltar, and then at around 8am sailing into the Straits.

In the meantime the Odssey Explorer had been berthed alongside the Ocean Alert and both vessels were preparing for the departure of the Alert.

As the Spanish naval vessel headed into the horizon two Guardia Civil patrol boats emerged from the Port of Algecrias.

At first they stopped just off the actual bay area into the Straits. At around 9.05am the Ocean Alert left its berthing area and started to sail slowly out of the port of Gibraltar. It was not until 9.11am that it left the port of Gibraltar. By this time the Guardia Civil patrols boats entered Gibraltar waters and awaited for the Alert to sail pass parallel to them out of the bay.

The slow moving Odyssey vessel weaved its way past the tankers in the bay, maintaining its distance from the Guardia Civil. By its side a Gibraltar Port Authority vessel led the way. As it passed Rosia at around 9.31 the port authority left the Ocean Alert to steam ahead alone. The lonely figure of the Alert, looking vulnerable as the Guardia civil followed, and in the foreground the Spanish naval vessel awaited saw much interest from onlookers, and media awaiting to see what happened.

As if calling for the Guardia to board the vessel the Alert slowed down just off Europa Point, reducing its speed even further. As had been suggested by Spanish media at 10am the Ocean Alert was boarded.

The boarding took place out of Gibraltar waters off Europa Point.

In a surprising turn of events, and contrary to the suggestions by local politicians and British officials, and even the US company officials the Guardia Civil is said to have ordered the skipper of the Ocean Alert to head to Algeciras. The order is said to have been followed by warnings that unless it did the vessel and everyone onboard would be arrested. The vessel has since sailed into the closest Spanish port in Algeciras escorted by Spanish patrols.

Gibfocus understands that the vessel has been detained and is being taken to Isla Verde where it is expected a full inspection will take place by the Spanish authorities.

Officials in Gibraltar, aware of the presence of local people onboard the Ocean Alert is monitoring the situation closely. The whole event having been followed from the first moment as the local authorities ensured that the boarding took place outside Gibraltar waters.



Odyssey hopes to be allowed to sail away and resolve problems


British FCO will make representations to Spain on international water boarding incident
gibfocus - 12th July 2007
( 2007-07-12 14:10:00)

British Foreign and Commonwealth office officials have criticised the decision by Spain to board the Ocean Alert in international waters this morning. Although British officials were aware that the vessel would be boarded once out of Gibraltar waters, British officials have said that they will make representations to Spain over the boarding.

Whilst the issue would now be between the Panamanian maritime authorities, whose flag the Ocean Alert flies and Spain British officials have condemned Spain's decision to board the vessel 3.5 miles off Europa Point, at a predetermined location as confirmed by gibfocus.
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2007, 05:01:04 PM »

Spanish article mentions the Alert as "one of three" boats that it wants to search...

Still cant find the name of the third...is this the Lespoir?

GIBRALTAR (Reuters) - the Spanish police approached to the force Thursday a boat operated by the company cazatesoros American Odyssey after the ship left Gibraltar, said witnesses who were in the boat. Publicity Spain says that the company Odyssey Marine Exploration has taken control of a treasure that Madrid thinks that it could be extracted of Spanish waters or a sunk Spanish galleon in the Atlantic during the colonial time. The Ocean Alert left from Gibraltar Thursday in the morning and was followed by a patrol one of the Civil Guard during five kilometers before it left waters Gibraltarian and outside boarded by four agents. Ocean Alert had attack a Spanish lawyer and the captain of the boat acceded to be escorted until the port of Algeciras. The Ocean Alert is one of the three boats that belong to Odyssey which they are object of an order of registry emitted by a Spanish court the last month. The Odyssey Marine Exploration, a company cazatesoros with base in Florida, has announced that had recovered valued gold currencies and silver in about 500 million dollars of a colonial boat whose name in code is Black Swan in a place nonkept awake of the Atlantic Ocean.

The picture is the Spanish Police....


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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2007, 05:40:43 PM »

Spanish article mentions the Alert as "one of three" boats that it wants to search...

Still cant find the name of the third...is this the Lespoir?


No, as I mentioned on Skype a while back, that was the Dutch vessel leased last year by Odyssey and returned at the end of the season. It is now out east.

Monday, June 4, 2007 - Ahoy from the Dutch flagged ship M/V L'Espoir.


Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - In just a few moments the M/V L'Espoir will arrive alongside a pier in the Kupang harbor.

12 June 2007 - Can connect to the internet once in a while here in Indonesia from the Dutch M/V L'Espoir.

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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2007, 05:43:21 PM »

understood, just wondering what is the name of the third vessel they are referring to.....

was this owned or leased by OME
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2007, 05:51:36 PM »



In a statement issued this afternoon, after the British Government issued a similar comment Number Six Convent Place said today, "The arrest by Spain of a Panamanian ship in international waters is a matter for the Panamanian Government. However the Gibraltar Government is concerned that international shipping using Gibraltar port should be interfered with in this way in international waters.

"The Gibraltar Government understands that under international law a vessel can only be arrested in international waters with the agreement of the vessel's flag state. Assuming that the Panamanian authorities have not given their consent to the arrest of the Ocean Alert, her arrest by Spanish Authorities would appear to be an illegal act."


Does the British government really understand what has been happening here? Arrested? This was not my understanding of what happened this morning, which was that the Alert was invited, probably along the lines of "you are invited to help with our enquiries".

Now they are in Spain, of course, it is a different matter. A dios, chums. I wonder if the Alert has the same bunch of kids on board as when they sailed towards Portugal?

If I were to follow the same blithering nonsense of Morris, posting in Yahoo, I could now call the bunch of them criminals. But I am neither that previous, not that stoopid.

I can wait.

Solomon

PS
Are we sure that the above vessel isn't a trawler?
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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2007, 01:34:51 AM »

Spain seizes ship in treasure row
Spanish civil guard officers talk to Odyssey official
Odyssey says the ship was seized in international waters
The Spanish Civil Guard has intercepted a boat operated by a US company amid a row over treasure from a shipwreck.

The guard had been ordered by a Spanish judge to seize the vessel as soon as it left the British colony of Gibraltar.

Gibraltar officials and Odyssey Marine Exploration, which owns the ship, said Spain had boarded the ship illegally as it was in international waters.

In May, Odyssey said it had found $500m (�253m) in coins from a 17th Century wreck somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean.

Madrid suspects the sunken galleon may either have been Spanish or have gone down in Spanish waters.

The salvaged booty, which included half a million silver coins and hundreds of gold objects, has already been flown back to the US.

'Threat of force'

After leaving Gibraltar, the Ocean Alert was picked up at about 0700 GMT on Thursday off Europa Point and sent to the Spanish port of Algeciras to be searched, the Civil Guard said.

   
At this point, Odyssey is assuming that the action on the part of the Guardia Civil is a miscommunication between Spanish authorities
Odyssey Marine Exploration

The guard was investigating a possible "offense against Spanish historic heritage", it said in a statement.

Odyssey said the boarding was illegal and said the Civil Guard threatened to use force if Ocean Alert's captain did not follow orders. It said Spain had earlier promised the ship would be searched at sea.

"At this point, Odyssey is assuming that the action on the part of the Guardia Civil is a miscommunication between Spanish authorities," the Florida-based company said in a statement.

A spokesman for the governor of Gibraltar said the ship was in international waters at the time it was seized.

The Ocean Alert
Spain's Civil Guard is searching the Panama-registered ship
A lawyer for Odyssey, Allen von Spiegelfeld, told Reuters news agency that Spain had not sought permission to board Ocean Alert from officials in Panama, where it is registered.

"The owners of the vessel have contacted the Panamanian maritime authorities protesting the seizure on international waters," Mr von Spiegelfeld said.

{Now who is this new player?}

Spain has launched legal action over the treasure and the wreck.

Some experts believe the wreck to be the Merchant Royal, an English ship carrying stolen Spanish treasure which sank in 1641.

US coin expert Dr Lane Brunner has said there is evidence the shipwreck was found off England's Cornish coast.

{And we all would like to know who this really is, wouldn't we?}

Odyssey has kept the location of its find secret, citing security and legal reasons.




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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2007, 02:54:17 AM »

" US coin expert Dr Lane Brunner has said there is evidence the shipwreck was found off England's Cornish coast. "

What evidence??? No evidence has been made public, the location of the wreck location is a secret.

This is what he calls logic;

"Dr Brunner, from the American Numismatic Association, told Five Live there were clues about the location in a statement given to a US federal court in the autumn. "They told a judge at that point that they had found the wreck of a seventeenth-century merchant ship in the Atlantic Ocean, just outside the English Channel - about 40 miles off Lands' End. So all we can do is add two and two together. It would seem logical given the timing and everything that could be the site."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/6671975.stm

"a two day ANAGrading Seminar took place with 16 participating. Dr. Lane Brunner of the ANA administered the course. "

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:HfT3SZTfWe4J:www.gsna.org/NJNJ_pdf/GSNA_journal_Summer_06.pdf+Dr+Lane+Brunner&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us

Again the question: Why haul them from England to Gibralter if everything is on the 'up and up'?

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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2007, 03:13:59 AM »

Bart,

This statement from the 19th of May has only to do with Clues. Does it say anywhere that he has examined these coins from the Land's End Wreck? No. Just guesses and a smoke screen to throw off the Public from the treasure recovery, most probably the Mercedes, as we are finding out now. One more attempt to confuse the issue.

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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2007, 12:35:17 PM »

"Odyssey recently provided a

109-page legal affidavit

to authorities in the Spanish Federal government, the Junta de Andalucia, the United Kingdom, Gibraltar, and the United States detailing Odyssey's activities leading up to, and after, the announcement of the "Black Swan" discovery.

This document (which covered nine years of communications and meetings...........................................................

between Odyssey, the Junta of Andalucia and the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom and Spain) was provided in order to address questions posed by the Spanish regarding Odyssey's activities and to reassure all concerned governments and officials that Odyssey has always acted legally and with full transparency in relation to the "Black Swan" project and in all other shipwreck exploration activities."

Sounds like lots of empty pages of paper.

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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2007, 06:32:16 PM »


Here are the coins which various parties are now saying most likely came from the Mercedes.

(Thanks to Satdiver for the original image.)

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« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2007, 07:55:10 PM »

WOW! Looks like a bucket of roofing discs on this monitor. Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2007, 08:04:53 PM »

Looks like coins dated around 1800
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« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2007, 08:42:55 PM »

Yep, milled.

Does this story present Odyssey Marine as an innocent party?

The Civil Guard �hunts� boat of Odyssey

- at the moment has been nothing on board of the boat... is related to the treasure removed from the sea, like the used instruments of extraction

- one of the surprises of the agents has been to be with a renewed crew - in best of the cases, the some sailor had been a contracted month, formed by citizens of diverse nationalities - Czech, Polish or Russian, among others. Some only guessed right to identifyr themselves in English like sailors: � Seaman, seaman�. No was on board when the 500,000 currencies in dispute were extracted.

So the company has stripped all the equipment and changed the crew. That is hiding evidence. Innocent?  Grin
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« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2007, 01:13:27 AM »

Members,

As I stated before at the time this picture first became available, they appear to be milled coins which means, if coming from the New World, minted 1731 or later. Of course as I remarked then, this eliminated the Land's End Wreck 1641, and the HMS Sussex 1696 from the race. As we have developed this investigation we have noted the close involvement of principals directly involved in a previous "Mercedes" recovery project with OMR. The rest should prove interesting as Spain seems very determined to punish OMR for the HMS Sussex project as well as recovering a sovereign treasure illegally removed and exported.

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« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2007, 02:26:18 AM »

Odyssey's Ocean Alert Vessel being escorted by Spanish warships into Algeciras port after being arrested on leaving Gibraltar waters. 12 July 2007



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