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« on: August 13, 2006, 01:20:55 PM »

In my opinion, this story describes the single most illuminating and original find ever. View animation:
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2006, 06:06:25 PM »

What an awsome thing this is! I had never run across this information before. Truly astounding and a great read,
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2006, 06:59:32 PM »

Let's hope that when, later this year, the full report is published (and, I assume, broadcast), we are given the full, translated text of the inscriptions.

We are told that after the collapse of the Roman Empire, the world did not recover its technical development until the 19th century (after about a century of the Industrial Revolution). Looking at this Greek computer - made half a millennium before that collapse - it makes me realise just how much of antiquity has been lost to us.

For anyone identifying treasure hunting with gold and silver, this artefact is a stark reminder of how the greatest treasures sometimes are made of more mundane materials. Wouldn't it be fun to get a valuation on this artefact?

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 08:03:22 PM »

A detail of the mechanism.
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 08:23:22 PM »

Just to think that they were accurately cutting gears is, by itself, enough to boggle the mind. I wonder what kind of fine measurement devices they had?

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2006, 07:24:01 AM »

If somebody had shown me these images and said that it was a Victorian mechanical device, I would have believed it. This is truly mind-blowing. I hope the documentary on this demonstrates how the device was made.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2006, 11:44:56 AM »

A fascinating object, and long overdue for closer scrutiny. I am curious about any possible historical mention of this or similar devices of the same era, that anyone here may recall.  Have any tools, drawings or possibly related items ever been found? I can think of nothing along these lines of anything related as far as arcaeological finds.  Da Vinci drawings come to mind as being somewhat related to this onject.. how can they be sure it is from this wreck/ era, and not something that wasn't dropped there later? Hopefully this new analysis will help to answer some of the questions.

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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2006, 11:59:27 AM »

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Yes, you are right to question whether or not this is really a device of ancient Greece.

First, even before the computer was found, we knew that at least similar devices probably existed. Cicero, writing in the 1st century BC, mentions an instrument "recently constructed by our friend Posidonius, which at each revolution reproduces the same motions of the sun, the moon and the five planets."

No matter how amazed we are by seeing this computer, or how much it stretches our imagination and credulity, it's a fact that Greeks of that period had both the understanding of the maths and the technology to design and built it.

Similar devices are mentioned in other ancient sources. It also adds support to the idea that there was an ancient Greek tradition of complex mechanical technology which was later transmitted to the Arab world, where similar but simpler devices were built during the medieval period. The early 9th century Kitab al-Hiyal ("Book of Ingenious Devices"), commissioned by the Caliph of Baghdad, records over a hundred mechanical devices described in Greek texts that had been preserved in monasteries. Such knowledge could have yielded to or been integrated with European clockmaking and ancient cranes.

The advanced geometry needed for the Antikythera mechanism's construction was developed by Archimedes.

When the device was recovered, it took quite a while before anyone realised. It appeared to be just a rock, until it was noticed that a gear wheel was visible. The encrustation, being organic, can be dated by the c-14 method.
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2006, 12:10:28 PM »

The Book of Ingenious Devices (Kitab al-Hiyal) was a large illustrated work on mechanical devices including automata published in AD 850 by the three Persian brothers Ahmad, Muhammad and Hasan bin Musa ibn Shakir (the three together known as Banu Musa), working in the House of Wisdom (Bayt al-Hikma) in Baghdad. [1] The book described about one hundred devices and how to use them. It was based partly on the work of Heron of Alexandria, other ancient texts and orignal work by the brothers.[2]

The book was commissioned by the Abassid Caliph of Baghdad Abu Jafar al-Ma'mun ibn Harun (786-833), who instructed the Banu Musa to acquire all of the Greek texts that had been preserved by monasteries and by scholars during the decline and fall of western civilization.[3]

1. Dimarogonas, 2000, p. 15.
2. Bunch, 2004, p. 107.
3. Rosheim, 1994, p. 9.

See also:
Islamic Automation: A Reading of al-Jazari?s The Book Of Knowledge Of Ingenious Mechanical Devices (1206)

A review of Early Muslim Control Engineering



During the period of Islamic-Arabic extraordinary activity in Science and Technology (9th-13th century) there are some recorded contributions to the area of Automatic Control mainly in the development of water clocks using float valve regulators, different level controls using float valves or combination of syphons and the development of On-Off control.

The Islamic Arabic Automatic Control Technology had as a basis the Greek Technology of two scientists namely Philon of Byzantium (Rhodes and Alexandria) of the second half of the third century BC (his book "pneumatica" was translated from Arabic into French and German in 1902 and 1899 respectively) and Heron of Alexandria of the first century AD (his book "pneumatica" was translated from Greek into English and German in 1851 and 1899 respectively).

It is noted in Greek technology the language is Greek but the scientists need not be Greek as in the case with Islamic-Arabic technology.

It is known that there are hundreds of thousands of manuscripts dealing with Islamic Science and Technology to be edited and it is assumed that some of them deal with technology. This report is based on references [1-6] (see resources below).

PART I - AUTOMATIC CONTROL IN WATER CLOCKS

1. "The work of Archimedes on the Building of Clocks"

This is an Arabic book whose arabic author is called pseudo-Archimedes with the earliest reference to it in "The Fihrist "of Al-Nadim (died 955 AD). From the literary style and the technique of its drawings this clock book seems to be an Islamic work based on Greek-Roman technology as mentioned ini. This clock used a float level regulator, which makes it a feedback device. A large float drove the whole apparatus. The description of the complicated clock is so thorough that it could be reconstructed almost completely. This book did have considerable influence on the two great horological books of Al-Jazari and Ibn Al-Saati and other Arabic authors like Ibn Al-Akfani.

2. "Al-Jami bain Al-Ilm..." by Al-Jazari [5]

This book was written in 1206.Al-Jazari is from Al-Jazira the area between Tigris and Euphrates. Sarton [6] mentions "This treatise is the most elaborate of its kind and may be considered the climax of this line of Muslim achievement "The distinctive feature of the book is its practical aspect. The book is rich in minute discription of various kinds of devices.

Hill [3] maintains "It is impossible to over-emphasize the importance of Al-Jazari`s work in the history of engineering. Until modern times there is no other document from any cultural area that provides a comparable wealth of instructions for the design, manufacture and assembly of machines" "Al-Jazari did not only assimilate the techniques of his non-Arab and Arab predecessors, he was also creative. He added several mechanical and hydraulic devices. The impact of these inventions can be seen in the later designing of steam engines and internal combustion engines, paving the way for automatic control and other modern machinery. The impact of Al-Jazari`s inventions is still felt in modern contemporary mechanical engineering." Hill [4] translated the book to English in 1974. A German translation was made in 1915.The chapter on water clocks describes 10 water clocks, the first two of them use float valve regulators. The various time-indicating mechanisms are propelled by a float. The other clocks are regulated differently. Al-Jazari mentions an old machine, which he inspected, in which a musical automaton was powered by a vertical water wheel. In his comments on this machine he clearly implies that he knew how to control the speed of such a wheel by means of an escapement.

3. "Book on the Construction of Clocks and their Use", Ridwan b.Muhammad Al-Saati Al-Khurasani (1203)

This book describes the monumental water clock built by Ridwan`s father at the Jayrun gate in Damascus. A German translation was made in 1915. A large float drives the clock, float valve regulator and the device for varying the length of the hours are incorporated.

4. "The Book of Secrets about the Resulte of Thoughts", Al-Muradi of Andalusia(11th century)

This is the earliest description in Arabic of water clocks. This book deals with water clocks and other devices using automata. The treatise consists of 31 models of which 5 are essentially very large toys similar to clocks in that automata are caused to move at intervals, but without precise timing. The prime movers are water wheels that can be overshot or undershot depending on the intensity of flow. There are nineteen clocks, all of which record the passage of the temporal hours by the movements of automata. The power came from large outflow clepsydras provided with concentric siphons. This power was transmitted to automata by very sophisticated mechanisms, which included segmental and epicyclic gears and the use of mercury. These are highly significant features; they provide the first known examples of complex gearing used to transmit high torque while the adoption of mercury reappears in European clocks from the thirteenth century onwards. Unfortunately, the only known manuscript of this work is badly defaced and it is not possible to understand exactly how the clocks worked. A weight driven clock with a mercury escapement appears in "Libros del Saber" a work written in Spanish at the court of Alfonsos of Castille about 1277 and consisting of translations and paraphrases of Arabic works A novel feature in this treatise is the use of mercury in balances. Al-Zarquali built two large water clocks on the banks of the river Tagus at Toledo in 11th century.

5. "Kitab Mizan Al-Hikma (The Book on the Balance of Wisdom)", Al-Khazini (1121-1122) [2]

The eighth treatise of this work described two steelyard clebsydras. The main one, called the Universal Balance, was designed for 24-hour operation, and consisted of an iron beam divided into unequal arms by a fulcrum. An outflow clepsydra equipped with a syphon was suspended on the end of the short arm, and two movable weights, one large and one small, were suspended from the long arm, which was graduated into scales. As water discharged from the clepsydra, the weights were moved along the scale to keep the beam in balance. At any moment the hour of the day could be told from the position of the large weight, its minutes from the position of the small one."

Part II - Automatic Control of Banu Musa

"Kitab Al-Hiyal" (The Book of Ingenious Devices) by Banu Musa bin Shakir (9th century). The three sons of Musa organized translation and did original work in "Bayt Al-Hikma"(House of Wisdom) which is the science academy in Baghdad the greatest scientific institution since the Museum and Library of Alexandria. Banu Musa were the main supporters of the translation movement which gathered momentum as that important epoch of the Islamic scientific awakening reached fruition in the 9th century. They extended their patronage to Thabit Ibn Qurra, to Hunain Ibn Ishaq and to many other translators and scholars. They have more than 20 works which are known including the seminal engineering book "Kitab Al-Hiyal" translated into English by Donald Hill in 1979 and parts of it into German by Wiedemann and Hauser in 1918 and Hauser in 1922.The book was edited in Arabic by Ahmad Al-Hassan in 1981.

The written Arabic heritage in mechanical technology begins with the Banu Musa book. It is possible they knew Hero`s mechanics written in Alexandria in the first century and translated by Qusta Ibn Luqa at the time of Banu Musa.Hero's other books may have been known to the brothers for he enjoyed great fame among Arabic scholars in the 10th century. Banu Musa describe hundred ingenious devices. Hill identified twenty five devices resembling the ones of Hero and Philo(3rd century BC)books. There exist also other parts of the Banu Musa machines which resemble certain elements in Hero and Philo work. There are Banu Musa machines which bear no resemblance to either Hero or Philo. These include the fountains and dredging machine designed to salvage submerged objects from the bottom of rivers and seas and so on. Banu Musa made use primarily of the principles of the science of hydrostatics and aerostatics. Banu Musa use of automatic valves, delayed-action systems and their application of the principles of automatic control testify of creative mentality. Hill notes the use of crankshafts for the first time in the history of technology.

In two models, they used a mechanism similar to the modern crankshaft, thus outstripping by 500 years the first description of the crankshaft in Europe. Mayr [1] mentions that they use syphons, float valves, Philon`s oil lamp, water wheels, etc. Some control systems work with nonmoving parts combining the principle of Philon`s oil lamp with some cleverly arranged syphons. They have contributions in technological refinements and new applications. They install throttling valves directly in the pipe requiring no constant force to keep them closed. These appear first in the book of Banu Musa. Also they introduce improvements on Philon`s oil lamp by ingenious combination of syphons added to the original system. Most important is the use of On-Off control with upper and lower limit for the controlled variable. Systems of this class are widely used in modern technology. The float valve used by Banu Musa, Al-Jazari and other Arabic engineers emerges again in the middle of the 18th century in Europe and in England.

by: Professor Dr Mohamed Mansour, Fri 22 March, 2002
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2006, 05:34:35 AM »

Very good piece Sol, always nice to learn a bit more.  Soon I will know everythning... well, I can dream, can't I?  I don't think we have come close to understanding the ancient's reasons for so much focus on the cosmos, it seems to permeate every ancient culture. It is more than a case of time on their hands and idle curiosity methinks.

Just out today...

Revealed: world's oldest computer - Antikythera mechanism

Helena Smith
Sunday August 20, 2006
The Observer


It looks like a heap of rubbish, feels like flaky pastry and has been linked to aliens. For decades, scientists have puzzled over the complex collection of cogs, wheels and dials seen as the most sophisticated object from antiquity, writes Helena Smith. But 102 years after the discovery of the calcium-encrusted bronze mechanism on the ocean floor, hidden inscriptions show that it is the world's oldest computer, used to map the motions of the sun, moon and planets.

'We're very close to unlocking the secrets,' says Xenophon Moussas,an astrophysicist with a Anglo-Greek team researching the device. 'It's like a puzzle concerning astronomical and mathematical knowledge.'

Known as the Antikythera mechanism and made before the birth of Christ, the instrument was found by sponge divers amid the wreckage of a cargo ship that sunk off the tiny island of Antikythera in 80BC. To date, no other appears to have survived.

'Bronze objects like these would have been recycled, but being in deep water it was out of reach of the scrap-man and we had the luck to discover it,' said Michael Wright, a former curator at London's Science Museum. He said the apparatus was the best proof yet of how technologically advanced the ancients were. 'The skill with which it was made shows a level of instrument-making not surpassed until the Renaissance. It really is the first hard evidence of their interest in mechanical gadgets, ability to make them and the preparedness of somebody to pay for them.'

For years scholars had surmised that the object was an astronomical showpiece, navigational instrument or rich man's toy. The Roman Cicero described the device as being for 'after-dinner entertainment'.

But many experts say it could change how the history of science is written. 'In many ways, it was the first analogue computer,' said Professor Theodosios Tassios of the National Technical University of Athens. 'It will change the way we look at the ancients' technological achievements.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1854232,00.html
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2006, 05:59:57 AM »

They actually had engineers that good? And machine shops?
I'm amazed.
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2006, 07:50:32 AM »

I don't think we have come close to understanding the ancient's reasons for so much focus on the cosmos, it seems to permeate every ancient culture. It is more than a case of time on their hands and idle curiosity methinks.

I think it's quite natural, Bart, for people to look up and wonder. In the case of the heavens, it must have occured to the brighter among them that there was a direct correlation between the world they inhabited and celetsial bodies. The seasons, "moonths" (the 4-week lunar cycle), tides and so on impinged on them directly.

Mesopotamia seems to have the source for the much of the development within the region and reappeared later in Egypt, and later on still, in Ancient and Classical Greece.



Sumeria, Babylon and the Assyrians led the world in astronomy.
Internet Links on Mesopotamian Astronomy and Astrology:
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~vgent/babylon/babybibl_links.htm

I think it's true to say that astrology began as an early form of science, in a primitive attempt to have some control over one's life. The oldest records I know of) are astrological omens preserved from the reign of king Ammi-saduqa (1683-47 BC). However Sumerians a 1000 years earlier had some understanding of the subject.

Our modern science and technology clearly owes a great debt to these peoples.

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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2006, 10:57:11 PM »


A clockwork mechanism recovered in 60 metres of water from the wreck that went down in 82 BC
It was not clear initially what the device was, except that it was clearly a sophisticated mechanism. X-ray analysis was subsequently used to probe the inner structure of the device, the details of the gears. Finally in 1974, a full analysis was published by Professor D. De Solla Price. While some of the original gearing was missing, there was enough to work out that the device was intended to show the motion of the Moon, Sun, and most likely the Planets through the years, when the handle was turned.


The sun gear has 64 teeth. It meshes with the smaller of a 38,48 gear pair. The 48 meshes with the smaller of a 24,127 gear pair. The 127 meshes with the 32 teeth of the moon gear. The ratio of angular speeds can then be calculated as
64       48       127       254    
   x       x       =       
38       24       32       19    
               =    13.36842..

which is an excellent approximation of the astronomical ratio 13.368267...
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2006, 11:49:11 PM »

The mathematical application to the progression and the mechanical skill necessary to cut the gears is truly astounding.
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2006, 07:45:56 AM »

OHIO:  I am trying to remember where I saw or read that  a modern watchmaker duplicated the gesrs with files.  He also constructed a mechanism which gave him the ratio and spacing of the teeth, making it fairly simple -- yeah?

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