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History's Hinge - 'Ain Jalut

[Tayopa]

Good morning my friend  Solomon:   

A)   I am not on the defensive since I know what I have, so forgive me if at times I seem so.  I will explain, in so far as is practical, without jeopardizing the project at this point.

B)  Regarding the deposit site,  it is outside of my owned area because it was developed after I had expended my available resources  in acquiring Tayopa 1 & 2.   To include it will require some $15, 000 Us  dollars which I frankly do not have.

My security is that no-one in this world knows of  it's location except me. I can, and have  to,  wait.

The reason that  I haven't opened it up is again simple finances, since it will require extensive work.  The same applies to the Tayopa mines themselves.

One might say that I have a  Tiger by the tail.  In fact I may eventually lose Tayopa because of the inability to do anything,  let alone pay the taxes which amount to $ 10,000  US  yearly.

Again in regards to lack of other's back up statements, data, which probably in themselves are questionable, I personally lack the finances to go  to  the  Vatican and other areas to search for them.  As a  result I have had to work on the available data, which required tossing out the chaff while hopefully retaining the Wheat.  However I  might add this, if they were available , and adequate, Tayopa would have been found long ago.

Not long ago I was at a  gasoline station filling up my truck when another truck filled with children parked along side.  A  Jesuit priest from Yecora was in charge of them.  When he saw my decal on the side of my truck - the same as is shown  in here -   he became very agitated and asked me if it was true.  I answered "of course",  where upon he said that he was the resident Jesuit at Yecora and that I had to visit him,  that he had an enormous coffer pot and that we  would talk all night about Tayopa.    I haven't had the opportunity to do so yet,  but out of curiosity, why would a Jesuit be so knowledgable about Tayopa and so insistant in wanting to talk , especially since that was the epicenter of the old Tayopa region, unless the Society is still looking for it, and therefore true??

Incidentally, the titles cover the Tayopa mines completely.  There was /is no mistake.
Tropical Ttamp

[Solomon]

Very encouraging, all round, thank you, even though the position you describe is difficult.

I see that you are in a quandary, which is not untypical for treasure hunters: the need to raise finance, which in turn necessitates telling others. My only advice on this is to use your judgement before asking anyone to sign a NDA. In my own experience, though a contract can be good, it is unlikely to offer a solid defence against bad faith.

Talking to the priest seems a priority. If he knows anything on this, then your learning what it is could be vital. I recommend getting to him by any means possible.

If you like, I can make enquiries of the archives.

Cheers!
Solomon

[Gollum]

Solomon,

About the found cache, to answer your question. I don't  know how investigations work in England, but here in the colonies, if the charge isn't too grave, they will present their evidence to the person in question. They will either negotiate a plea bargain, or let the person make good what they have taken, and avoid courts and/or jail. In these cases, the records are harder to get, because many times, the files are sealed by court order, and Freedom of  Information Act does not apply. The only time it is easy to get records is if the case went to trial, and that makes everything public domain (after the trial is over).

Like I have stated previously, most people in the church either know nothing about Jesuit Mining Operations in Mexico, or are very tight lipped about it.

I have spoken to the Secretary of the Jesuit Archives in Rome. He states that there are no maps there, and it was his belief that the Jesuit's sole mission in Mexico was to convert heathens, and tend to their souls. Although, he was very helpful, and offered to guide me through their archives should I ever come to Rome. He also gave me a source detailing EVERY Jesuit Archive on Earth. It gives the addresses and phone numbers of the archives, as well as what periods in time are covered in their manuscripts. The way he explained it to me was that  the Jesuits wanted to make a centralized database for all their archives around the world, so they sent a questionnaire to EVERY archive. I forget how many questions had, but because of that, they got detailed information from every single Jesuit Archive. Very informative work!

best,

Mike

[Tayopa]

HI  Gollum: for the  record,  twe diferent Spanish kings issued orders for the Jesuits to cease mining?     You can check this yourself easily, so obviously, they "must"  have been  mining  despite any remarks to the contrary. ?no?

So it follows, that  if what your gentleman states is true, they will have records of mining activites, if not, then not ALL records are in the aforementioned archives.

Tropical Tramp

[Tayopa]

Evening  Solomon:  Thank you for your kind offer.  I have often considered going directly to the Jesuits in Rome, but have hesitated since they could easily "eat me up.   The same goes for the Mexican gov't,   sigh.

My present plans involve 3 other normal mines which I own to finance  the Tayopa project..  La  Escondida, Magia, and La Fortuna 15.  I am looking for a joint venture with La Escondida, it has over $1,000,000 US  in Silver, Gold, and Copper proven reserves with the expected potential of at least $10,000,000 US over a 10 year production period.  I have a  few tentative nibbles but ----?   The Fortuna 15 lies in the heart of the new Piedras Verdes copper project which is scheduled to have a projected life of 15 - 20 years, estimated value ?  Just what they will pay, since I have no intention of mining it.

As for Tayopa, much as I would love to see it pay off, the mere finding of it is slmost reward enough, I am sure that you understand exactly what I mean.

The satifaction of knowing that I have succeeded where so many others have failed, even to losing their  lives, in the past 400 years is rather ego satisfying.  Also rewriting history is fun too.

Joseph Curry  -- Tropical Tramp

[Tayopa]

Good afternoon:   I will attempt to give a short description of Tayopa prior to my actually finding it.   Of necessity I will have to use some data from popular magazines,  as well as local legends.

 Much cannot be verified for many reasons,. including being either fabricated, mistaken, misinterpreted or just the usual errors of going through many authors  who in turn were after all writing  for money and effects, not dedicated to simple factual writing.

Tayopa seems to have surfaced in the late 1500's during the active explorations of North Western Mexico.

The original Tayopa was centered in the old Guaynopa, Guaynopita region.  Later they found richer deposits near Yecora, some 50  60 miles south.  They then moved their headsquarters to the new discovey bringing the name "Guadelupe de Tayopa" with them and in turn calling the original "la Divina Trinidad". 

During this phase they started the shuttle route to Matamorros for transshipment  of precious metals  to Rome in their own ships.

Later they encountered the richest of all, the present "Tayopa", and again shifted their headquarters to the New "Tayopa".   They  now  called the last one  "La Divina Trinidad", I never could find out what they called the original mine.

This  3 rd Tayopa is the  one that all of the stories of richness and treasures are connected with, and the one that they lost in the revolution of the 1630's.

The revolution was of only a few years duration,  but when they returned to work  Tayopa again it had been so well hidden, that to this date, neither they, nor hordes of treasures seekers have ever been able to find it, that is until I managed to unlock the secret.

They did return to the area since it was a fantastic mineral zone and continued working other mines in the surrounding areas until their expulsion in 1767. 

When they realized that they were going to be expelled, they called in all of the  production from the many surrounding mines and placed it into two (2) large deposits,   One is the stylized map that I have already posted.  The other has to remain my secret for the time  being.   It lies approx. one day by loaded burro to the East. 

It was revealed to me by the time honored cliche', which in this case is true, of saving a very sick Indian couple.  I will get into this later with proof of it's existence.  A t the moment I am the only one, now you,  to know of it, or it's location since a no of years later the old Indian couple died.

I will attempt to show basically, step by step, how over the years, I was able to develop sufficient data to keep the inertia to eventually find Tayopa no (3 ), THE Tayopa... Do not think that this was a week end exploration trip,  it involved a period from 1956 to the present.  If I had not had a rapport with the Indians, it never could have been brought to a successful end.

The  physical technique involved  months and years of foot,  mule, vehicle, and aircraft travel.  The paper work involved computer, satellite,  and approx. 1000 bottles of Aspirin. 

It has been a a fascinating journey into the past and life in those days.    It also allowed me to experience life as it must have been in those days, including a few run ins with bandidos.  I must have spent months with only my mule for company, and they "can" be good company.

So until you get bored, I will ramble off and on about the search and a  full bank book of wonderful memories,  many of which can never be repeated since the country is now changed.?

Tropical Tramp

p.s  I presume that there will be no problem with my retaining  the copyrights  for these stories for my book?

[Bart]

No chance of boredom from me  RT, I have been anxious to hear your story for some time. Looks good so far...

- Bart

P.S. - The twins are fine and both say hi, They are away at school now.

[Solomon]

I presume that there will be no problem with my retaining  the copyrights  for these stories for my book?

The International Copyright Convention protects your writings. Publication on the web does not in itself constitute 'public domain'.

Solomon

[Tayopa]

Good norning  Solomon,  in regards to your post on Copyrights, that is quite correct, unless, by agreeing to use the services of say a site you inadvertently agree to give the copyright to the provider of anything posted in the provider's  site or web page..

Tropical Tramp

[Tayopa]

Hello Bart/DOC:  Just  a few general pictures.

Tropical Tramp

[Solomon]

Good norning  Solomon,  in regards to your post on Copyrights, that is quite correct, unless, by agreeing to use the services of say a site you inadvertently agree to give the copyright to the provider of anything posted in the provider's  site or web page..

Tropical Tramp

Good evening, TT!

You own the copyright of your works unless you either place them in the public domain, or specifically transfer them to somebody else. You should not let website copyright notices confuse you on this.

Solomon

[Tayopa]

Gentlemen: since the administration and I do not see eye to eye, I will no longer post in here.

Appologies  gentlemen, but you would have enjoyed the complete story of Tayopa and it's conclusive proof that I have indeed found it. 

Tropical Tramp

[Tayopa]

Gentlemen  I have had a talk with the abministration, and I can see their point.   I now realize their unique and delicate position and agree with them,    However Tayopa will no longer be discussed.

I will  let you know when the book comes out and the possible movie heheh.

Tropical  Tramp

[cactusjumper]

T.T.,

Can you tell us something of the connection between you and "Adrian Westwood"?  He's a hard man to find.

cj

[Bart]

I look forward to the book, place me at the top of the list please!!!!
Gracias RT!

 - Bart