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History's Hinge - 'Ain Jalut

[Tayopa]

Morning:  As I mentioned, the next step for proof of Tayopa consisted in finding  the basic locations of the other 5  mines, with the Gloria Pan being first.  It was picked because at that time  I had more data on it than the others.   I had a hand written page of instructions and it's history.

The Gloria Pan was in bonanza,  producing great amounts of Au (Gold) when the Indian revolt of the high Sierras occurred.  The padres  were forced to close it when the Indians burned the mission at Tubares, Sinaloa. When the mission  was destroyed, the Indians  also killed some of the Padres.  After the revolt was put down,  they rebuilt the mission and  reopened the mines, it is still at Tubares.  When I was there it was abandoned.  There were two large bells hung at the entrance to the grave yard, cast into  them were the words "In penitence", and the names of a Woman and a man.  The huge Baptismal bowl was still inside and the tower had 24 small bells, but it was impossible to reach them since the spiral staircase had collapsed.

It was while I was examining the mission  which is located some meters from the highwater mark from the Rio fuerte that I saw the 80 ft aquatic serpent.  Twice a day I had to swim across the Rio Fuerte.   My Indian friend and I used a long straight stretch to cross with our clothes  on a log.  It was on one of these afternoons that we were drying  in the sand and Sun alongside of the river, when I saw what looked like a gigantic eel, rise out of the water some 6 ft. about 25 ft  away.   I asked my friend "did you see that"?  "Si ",  he replied, "era uno de los serpientes".    (yes, it was one of the serpents ). "Sheesh, just  how big are they"?  I asked.  He replied,  "como unos 20 a 30 metres" (  some 20 - 30 meters long).    The next obvious question was  "what do they eat"?,  "pescados " he replied (fish).  nevertheless, from then on I swam with my shorts on.

The  Mine was located to the north on the other side of a mesa with sheer sides.  It was at the head of an arroyo, which I have since called "the Arroyo of the Gloria Pan, the name has stuck.

I was unsuccessful in locating the mine that trip.  Later I returned by way of the access road to the LLuvia de Oro mine , dropped down to the Arroyo Balajaqui to it's junction with the arroyo de la LLuvia de Oro.   From there I explored up the barranca  La Gloria Pan .   I eventually found a large stone that had  three interlocking rings, similar to the Olympic  symbol in the barranca, the problem was that it was not supposed to be in the barranca, but up on a trail to the north? 

It took another trip to find that an Indian that lived in the area had found it and tumbled it into the barranca with the thought that if anyone wanted to find it, or it's original postion, they would have to invite him into the  search.  unfortunately  for him, by this time it was no longer needed it, so he was bypassed.

In those days when the Padres wished to communicate between missions, they used mirrors in the day and fires at night.   For them to contact Guasapares to the north, they had an aux  location manned on top of the high ridge between them to act as a relay.  According to the document which  I had, they were starting to construct another Mission on top of the ridge.   It was to be named in the name of one of the Padre martyr's from the revolt.  the document also stated that the materiel for the mission, such as an Altar, Cross, etc.,  were stored inside of the Mine  La Gloria Pan.

So as part of my search, I spent a few days on top of the ridge to see if I could verify this, eventually I did.  I found a no. of cut rock blocks which were to be used as the base of the walls.   They were hidden in the tall grass, even today the local Indians still do not know of their existence.

With this bit of the document verified,  I continued my search and eventually came to the final point.  According to the document, the barranca curved to the north.  It was about 400 varas long and perhaps  200 high.  There was an access trail leading up to a ledge which ran north to the mine entrance which had been sealed with mud and covered with Ocote smoke.. Oocte is pitch pine which  gives a dense smoke which  blends everything together nicely.  the document stated that the actual entrance was marked with two handprints.

 I was able to identify them easily with my binoculars, but I did not go up, instead I  returned to El Fuerte where my partner was waiting.  He had been unable to accompany me on the search because of a heart condition, but I wanted him to be there for the actual opening.  Unfortunately, when I reached El Fuerte it was only to learn that he had died the night before.   

Since we had been very close,  it broke me up and I lost any further interest in opening it up or lost mimes, however, I now had the confirmation I needed to continue the search for Tayopa, which was then put on hold for some years.   I have never been back, according to my contacts there, it is still untouched.

Obviously I will never make a living wih my present abilities as a Cartographer, sniff.

Tropical Tramp

[Tayopa]

H, shall I continue on the actual search  basically step by step, or just condense it?  Not sure if I am boreing anyone.

Tropical Tramp

[Gollum]

I say step by step! Adventures are NEVER boring, they just have some slow spots!

Best,

Mike

[MesaBuddy]

No condensed soup Jose , all of the details !!!!!
Regards ,
Buddy

[MesaBuddy]

Datos generales y documentos asociados al Informe
 
P?gina Inicial 
Clave 2675PERJ0001 
Perez Reynoso Jose. 1975: RECONOCIMIENTO DE VARIAS MINAS COMPRENDIDAS DENTRO DEL DISTRITOMINERO DE ALAMOS, SONORA.
   

Resumen
   
El ?rea en estudio se localiza en el camino de ?lamos a El Zapote, haciendo un recorrido de 32 km, municipio de ?lamos, Son. En el ?rea de la mina San Carlos afloran rocas ?gneas intrusivas representadas por un granito que es la roca mas antigua de la regi?n, su contenido de biotita varia, aumentando esta en las inmediaciones de la veta, del mismo modo se presento la turmalina en los alrededores de la estructura mineralizada. a una cuarzomonzonita que intrusiona al granito, se le observan xenolitos del granito, este cuerpo tiene una orientaci?n NW-SE y un espesor de 4 m en las partes altas aflora un porfido raqu?tico, formando cantiles que en ocasiones sobrepasan los 100 m esta unidad al parecer no fue afectada por la mineralizaci?n, se le considera de edad mioceno-plioceno. El yacimiento mineral esta constituido por una veta alojada en una falla, su potencia es de 1 m. promedio y una longitud de 100 m. los minerales de mena es oro libre, galena, galena argent?fera, blenda, calcopirita y pirita, la mineralizaci?n parece que se comporta en forma de clavos. El mineral de ganga es cuarzo. Se tomaron 22 muestras, siendo 18 de veta y 4 de jales, se analizaron por cu, Ag, Pb, Zn y Au. Los valores que reporto el an?lisis qu?mico var?a de la siguiente forma: Oro de 2.3 a 171.6 p.p.m. Plata de 3.6 a 114.8 p.p.m. Plomo de 147.0 a 1859.0 p.p.m. Zinc de 510.0 a 5101.0 p.p.m. Cobre de 72.0 a 342.0 p.p.m. Este yacimiento presenta excelentes posibilidades mineras, ya que los resultados del muestreo son altamente satisfactorios, as? como el espesor de la estructura. Este informe incluye el estudio de 24 minas o prospectos, son los siguientes: Nombre: Municipio: Nombre: Municipio: Santa Elena Chinipas, Chih. La Faeca Chinipas, Chih. Mina grande ?lamos La Quintera ?lamos (Promontorio) (T?nel Zapopan) La Panchita ?lamos La Dorada Quiriego La escapada ?lamos Alegre ?lamos Hedionda ?lamos Ana Maria Alamos La Escondida Quiriego Miramar Huatabampo Cata Becerro ?lamos Bella Vista ?lamos La Esperanza ?lamos 12 de mayo ?lamos La Cobra Navojoa Cata Chalo ?lamos La Chinita ?lamos Los Jacalitos ?lamos Santo Ni?o Quiriego La Prieta Quiriego La Escondida Quiriego El Caracol ?lamos (2a. parte) 

Documentos Asociados
   
textos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/textos/T2675PERJ0001_1.PDF
textos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/textos/T2675PERJ0001_2.PDF
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_3.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_4.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_5.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_6.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_16.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_8.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_9.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_10.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_11.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_12.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_13.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_14.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_15.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_2.JPG
planos      http://inf_tec.coremisgm.gob.mx/informes/planos/P2675PERJ0001_1.JPG
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[Tayopa]

HI Mesa buddy. the Escondida is a litte over 1/3 down on the first text. 1/4 on second text.  I have people comng down to examine it next week.

Tropical Tramp

[MesaBuddy]

Great going Jose , I am glad for you , and I hope that you can get some people to help you open it up (your mines of course)
Cheers
MB

[Tayopa]

gents  pp-4

After a few years of moping, I was starting  to get interested in the campaign again, when a friend borrowed a book from a very old woman in Guaymas, a near by town.  In the book he found  an old letter which he excitedly showed to me.   Naturally we copied it.   This letter has subsequently popped up in various treasure books.  I read---

"Letter of inheritance that my grandson may go on the campaign as a military man.   He is to go to the first range of mountains  south of  Hermosillo on the old road.  climb the mountain range to the right following a trail that we made with laborous work with bar and hatchet.

Find and follow the arroyo Chlicote,  never losing south, until you come to a small mesa cut in half from the E to the West.  Go past the cut,  past the arroyo, never losing the south.  Climb the hill and you will see a small fort.  Go past the fort,  never losing the south.   You will pass three hills, at the last you will encounter a cliff,  go no further.  Turn to the right and you will see  solitary mountain and the first thing that you will see is the dump below a ridge.   On the other side of the same hill you will find the other mine.

This map obviously was referring to La Tarasca, one of the  mines that I had decided that I had to find to help prove that  Tayopa actually existed, so I became very interested.

After returning the  letter, my friend and I started to get ready for the campaign.  This was in July, don't ask me why we went then. The temperature was running 110 - 120 in the deep canyons, with no shade,  just bare rock.  The ground level prob ran to 15o-'

We had been running around in circles when we decided to look for more information,  in order to know where to start.  An old Yaqui took us to the Arroyo Chilicote.

Chiicote is  white poppy which has a low grade of opium, pretty, but they were growing every where  Once we had our primary bearings we worked our way to the south when we saw the small mesa cut in half,  exactly as the letter had stated.  This aroused our sagging sweat drenched enthusiasm.

When we reached the small mesa we found that it only had a small part cut from the main mesa,  it was an opical illusion.   see picture no. 1

It was while we were closing in on the mesa that we found a deep hole  at the bottom of which was a clear cold pool of water, perhaps 50 ft in diam.  Man did that cool water feel good.  Curiously we found a completely intact Ford model T truck on top of the cliff? We never did figure out how it ever managed to get there, no road, just rocks and cliffs?  It still had the tires, , flat of course and as hard as Gollum's head.

It took two days to finally figure out that the arroyo was a dry wash which ran up the mesa towards the south, it was a rough climb over basket sized loose rocks.

At the top we found a small ring of rocks chest high at the point, obviously the fort referred to.  We continued  south finding the three small hills as  stated, then finally came to a small cliff,  perhaps 10 ft high.  Just below, to the right, was a cleared area with a large rock in the center.  We dropped down to the rock,  it made a perfect seat to look to the west as instructed.  There was a fair sized mineralized mountain in front of us.

No matter how much we strained our eyes with the misaligned binoculars, we never did find the dump of the mine.  After almost 400 years we really didn't expect to,  just a forlorn hope.

We then spent the next few days covering the mountain , but all I found was a intact 75 mm projectile which had hit on an oblique angle and so did not detonate.  Apparent it had been fired at the Yaqui's in the 1930-40's during their revolt.   It is sitting on the end of my desk.

After another two days of searching behind the hill,  I found a collapsed portal, which had to be Las Pimas , the other mine.  unfortunately it would take quite a bit of work to open it up, and since it was so hot - perhaps manana?   Of course,  since the mines were Silver,  we knew that whenever we wished, we could return just after the first rains had started with a geo-chem kit and easily run down the Tarasca.

This ended another step in the Tayopa campaign.   So simple to tell as a story,  but sheehs, it was two weeks of durn hard work.  We both lost  #20 through sweat.  We had set up camp near  an old Spanish well.  At night when we poured a bucket of that cold water over ourselves to take a bath,  it almost gave us heart attacks, but did we sleep sound under a heavy cover of blamkets.  It gets as cold at night as it does hot in the days.?

Tropical Tramp

[Tayopa]

Sheehs  just typed pp-5 and it disappeared somewhere, but in the mornng i will retype it again.

Tropical Tramp

[Gollum]

For those who don't speak Spanish, here is the translation of MesaBuddy's Post:

"Summary
   
The area in study is located in the way of Poplars to the Zapote, doing a route of 32 km, municipality of Poplars, Are. In the area of the mine San Carlos intrusive igneous rocks represented by a granite arise that is the old rock but of the region, their content of biotita varies, increasing this in the environs of the vein, in the same way I appear the tourmaline in the neighborhood of the mineralized structure. to a cuarzomonzonita that intrusion to the granite, is observed xenolite in the granite, this body has a direction NW-SE and a thickness of 4 m in the high parts arises a rickety porphyry, forming shelves which sometimes they exceed the 100 ms this unit was apparently not affected by the mineralizaci?n, is considered him of Miocene-Pliocene age. The mineral deposit this constituted by a vein lodged in a fault, its power is of 1 M. average and one length of 100 M.s the minerals of mena is free, soft, soft gold argentiferous, blende, chalcopyrite and pyrite, the mineralizaci?n seems that it behaves in form of nails. The gangue mineral is quartz. 22 vein samples were taken, being 18 and 4 of you haul, were analyzed by cu, Ag, Pb, Zn and Au. The values that I report the chemical analysis vary of the following form: Gold from 2,3 to 171,6 p.p.m. Silver from 3,6 to 114,8 p.p.m. Plomo from 147,0 to 1859,0 p.p.m. Zinc from 510,0 to 5101,0 p.p.m. 342,0 Cobre from 72,0 to p.p.m. This deposit presents/displays excellent mining possibilities, since the results of the sampling are highly satisfactory, as well as the thickness of the structure. This report includes the study of 24 mines or prospectos, are the following ones: Name: Municipality: Name: Municipality: Santa Elena Chinipas, Chih. The Faeca Chinipas, Chih. Great mine Poplars the Quintera Poplars (Promontory) (Zapopan Tunnel) the Panchita Poplars the Golden Quiriego the Glad escape Poplars Hedionda Poplars Poplars Ana Maria Alamos the Hidden Quiriego Miramar Beautiful Huatabampo Cata Yearling calf Poplars Vista Poplars the Hope Poplars 12 of May Poplars the Cobra Navojoa Cata Chalo Poplars the Chinita Poplars the Jacalitos Poplars Santo Ni?o Quiriego the Dark Quiriego the Hidden Quiriego the Caracol Poplars (2a. part) 

Documents Associate "

Best,

Mike

[Tayopa]

That refers to the San Carlos.   The  Sabina group of mines.  I was the assayer there for a while.   They were getting 3 grams, tried to dissolve it in cyanide   (where I was hit with Cy poisoning, too careless.    No, I didn't die, but now can smell Cy 50 meters away, won several bets on this)  then precipitate it on aluminum cans, I proved that they  couldn't, but was over ridden so they processed 3 grams then threw 3 grams out on the dump, why it failed .

They ran a no of beer cans through a  hammer mill without burning off  the lacquer inside and out, as a result only the cut edges were active,sheesh.

I also know where 11  grams/p/t  are in the old dump, ripe for processing
correctly.  Cy/carbon technique

Tropical Tramp

Incidentally, Noe Briceno, the owner, is a semi- partner of mine now.  We intend to possibly process the Escondida mine ore there, 15 miles on an all weather, state maintained, road with power at the Sabina/SanCarlos.

p.s. what is this Documents Associate?

[Gollum]

I have no idea. I just ran the entire post through Systran 5 Translation Software.

Best,

Mike

[Tayopa]

HI Gollum, for one thing it is  not too accurate, for example, it keeps saying Populars, in actuality it refers to Alamos, the district of Alamos, not trees.

Yes , Alamos does mean a tree,  but that is out of context.

Tropical Tramp

[azstomper]

(At the top we found a small ring of rocks chest high at the point, obviously the fort referred to. )

Just a question about the fort....
1) Chest high....if you were 5'2"...as the average european was smaller than us today.

Now for the questions to ping off of your experience...
2) Walls of said fort seem to follow a patern...something uniquely european once again...3 foot by 3 foot except where terrain makes it impossable....

3) Made of rocks from the area...and in some cases tailings.

4) Sometimes there are "odd" holes in the wall which at first i thought were for muskets or look outs....however some i have seen are at ground level which lead me to believe otherwise...

Am i ringing any bells...i hope so because i do not know anyone who has in field experience with these...
And i believe  my tropical tramp there may be some info in tucson....or as the story goes.

DW

[djui5]

Those things crack me up! They don't always switch the words around, like "Documents Associate" which stands for "Associated Documents"