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I thought about how every once in a while I'll get a mail about archaeological cover-ups.  I glazed over halfway through the following text, but still thought it was worthwhile as a topic; maybe.

A famous example of such goings-ons is the Taleban in Afghanistan smashing those giant rock carvings of Buddha.

So, do you think They ever hide finds from us in an attempt to control history?


"Archeological Cover-Ups"
 by David Hatcher Childress

From NEXUS New Times - Volume 2, Number 13 Published in Australia (soon to be in the USA) (tell Duncan you heard about them from KeelyNet) Subscriptions $40 for six issues/one year $75 for twelve issues/two years Nexus Magazine PO Box 30 Mapleton Qld. 4560 Australia Tel (074) 429 280 FAX (074) 429 381 Originally placed on the KeelyNet BBS on May 8, 1993 as CANYON.ASC


The following is an intriguing article entitled "Archeological

Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress in the above NEXUS magazine.

Following that is a newspaper article from a 1909 newspaper

indicating a bizarre suppressed find in the Grand Canyon area.

It indicates either a hoax published at the time OR that the

Smithsonian and/or the government is covering up details of past

archeological discoveries that would rock current understanding of

the past.

Despite KeelyNet being primarily a science based board, this article

intrigues us because of the similarity in information suppression to

"protect the people"....this would appear to be the reason WHY we

don't have working free energy and anti-grav devices as well as

absolute cures for most terminal diseases.

If, after reading the article and the attached newspaper file, you

decide to investigate the matter further, we here at KeelyNet would

appreciate you sharing your findings with either/or Mr. Childress at

the World Explorers Club or us here at KeelyNet. Thanks...>>> Jerry


Archeological Coverups?

by David Hatcher Childress

World Explorers Club

403 Kemp Street

Kempton, Illinois 60946-0074 USA

Tel : (815) 253-6390

FAX : (815) 253-6300

Most of us are familiar with the last scene in the popular Indiana

Jones archeological adventure film RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK in which

an important historical artifact, the Ark of the Covenant from the

Temple in Jerusalem, is locked in a crate and put in a giant

warehouse, never to be seen again, thus ensuring that no history

books will have to be rewritten and no history professor will have

to revise the lecture that he has been giving for the last forty


While the film was fiction, the scene in which an important ancient

relic is buried in a warehouse is uncomfortably close to reality for

many researchers. To those who investigate allegations of

archaeological cover-ups, there are disturbing indications that the

most important archaeological institute in the United States, the

Smithsonian Institute, an independent federal agency, has been

actively suppressing some of the most interesting and important

archaeological discoveries made in the Americas.

The Vatican has been long accused of keeping artifacts and ancient

books in their vast cellars, without allowing the outside world

access to them. These secret treasures, often of a controversial

historical or religious nature, are allegedly suppressed by the

Catholic Church because they might damage the church's credibility,

or perhaps cast their official texts in doubt. Sadly, there is

overwhelming evidence that something very similar is happening with

the Smithsonian Institution.

The cover-up and alleged suppression of archaeological evidence

began in late 1881 when John Wesley Powell, the geologist famous for

exploring the Grand Canyon, appointed Cyrus Thomas as the director

of the Eastern Mound Division of the Smithsonian Institution's

Bureau of Ethnology.

When Thomas came to the Bureau of Ethnology he was a

"pronounced believer in the existence of a race of Mound Builders,

distinct from the American Indians."

However, John Wesley Powell, the director of the Bureau of

Ethnology, a very sympathetic man toward the American Indians, had

lived with the peaceful Winnebago Indians of Wisconsin for many

years as a youth and felt that American Indians were unfairly

thought of as primitive and savage.

The Smithsonian began to promote the idea that Native Americans, at

that time being exterminated in the Indian Wars, were descended from

advanced civilisations and were worthy of respect and protection.

They also began a program of suppressing any archaeological evidence

that lent credence to the school of thought known as Diffusionism, a

school which believes that throughout history there has been

widespread dispersion of culture and civilisation via contact by

ship and major trade routes.

The Smithsonian opted for the opposite school, known as

Isolationism. Isolationism holds that most civilisations are

isolated from each other and that there has been very little contact

between them, especially those that are separated by bodies of

water. In this intellectual war that started in the 1880s, it was

held that even contact between the civilisations of the Ohio and

Mississippi Valleys were rare, and certainly these civilisations did

not have any contact with such advanced cultures as the Mayas,

Toltecs, or Aztecs in Mexico and Central America. By Old World

standards this is an extreme, and even ridiculous idea, considering

that the river system reached to the Gulf of Mexico and these

civilisations were as close as the opposite shore of the gulf. It

was like saying that cultures in the Black Sea area could not have

had contact with the Mediterranean.

When the contents of many ancient mounds and pyramids of the Midwest

were examined, it was shown that the history of the Mississippi

River Valleys was that of an ancient and sophisticated culture that

had been in contact with Europe and other areas. Not only that, the

contents of many mounds revealed burials of huge men, sometimes

seven or eight feet tall, in full armour with swords and sometimes

huge treasures.

(Vangard note..>Eastern Indian texts say that at one time men lived

thousands of years and grew very tall in direct proportion to their

age, as does the Bible with the comment "and there were GIANTS in

the earth in those days...")

For instance, when Spiro Mound in Oklahoma was excavated in the

1930's, a tall man in full armour was discovered along with a pot of

thousands of pearls and other artefacts, the largest such treasure

so far documented. The whereabouts of the man in armour is unknown

and it is quite likely that it eventually was taken to the

Smithsonian Institution.

In a private conversation with a well-known historical researcher

(who shall remain nameless), I was told that a former employee of

the Smithsonian, who was dismissed for defending the view of

diffusionism in the Americas (i.e. the heresy that other ancient

civilisations may have visited the shores of North and South America

during the many millenia before Columbus), alleged that the

Smithsonian at one time had actually taken a barge full of unusual

artefacts out into the Atlantic and dumped them in the ocean.

Though the idea of the Smithsonian' covering up a valuable

archaeological find is difficult to accept for some, there is,

sadly, a great deal of evidence to suggest that the Smithsonian

Institution has knowingly covered up and 'lost' important

archaeological relics. The STONEWATCH NEWSLETTER of the Gungywamp

Society in Connecticut, which researches megalithic sites in New

England, had a curious story in their Winter 1992 issue about stone

coffins discovered in 1892 in Alabama which were sent to the

Smithsonian Institution and then 'lost'. According to the

newsletter, researcher Frederick J. Pohl wrote an intriguing letter

in 1950 to the late Dr. T.C. Lethbridge, a British archaeologist.

The letter from Pohl stated, "A professor of geology sent me a

reprint (of the) Smithsonian Institution, THE CRUMF BURIAL CAVE by

Frank Burns, US Geological Survey, from the report of the US

National Museum for 1892, pp 451-454, 1984. In the Crumf Cave,

southern branch of the Warrior River, in Murphy's Valley, Blount

County, Alabama, accessible from Mobile Bay by river, were coffins

of wood hollowed out by fire, aided by stone or copper chisels.

Either of these coffins were taken to the Smithsonian. They were

about 7.5 feet long, 14" to 18" wide, 6" to 7" deep. Lids open.

"I wrote recently to the Smithsonian, and received a reply March

11th from F.M. Setzler, Head Curator of Department of Anthropology

(He said) 'We have not been able to find the specimens in our

collections, though records show that they were received."

David Barron, President of the Gungywamp Society was eventually told

by the Smithsonian in 1992 that the coffins were actually wooden

troughs and that they could not be viewed anyway because they were

housed in an asbestos-contaminated warehouse. This warehouse was to

be closed for the next ten years and no one was allowed in except

the Smithsonian personnel!

Ivan T. Sanderson, a well-known zoologist and frequent guest on

Johnny Carson's TONIGHT SHOW in the 1960s (usually with an exotic

animal with a pangolin or a lemur), once related a curious story

about a letter he received regarding an engineer who was stationed

on the Aleutian island of Shemya during World War II. While

building an airstrip, his crew bulldozed a group of hills and

discovered under several sedimentary layers what appeared to be

human remains. The Alaskan mound was in fact a graveyard of

gigantic human remains, consisting of crania and long leg bones.

The crania measured from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown. Since

an adult skull normally measures about eight inches from back to

front, such a large crania would imply an immense size for a

normally proportioned human. Furthermore, every skull was said to

have been neatly trepanned (a process of cutting a hole in the upper

portion of the skull).

In fact, the habit of flattening the skull of an infant and forcing

it to grow in an elongated shape was a practice used by ancient

Peruvians, the Mayas, and the Flathead Indians of Montana. Sanderson

tried to gather further proof, eventually receiving a letter from

another member of the unit who confirmed the report. The letters

both indicated that the Smithsonian Institution had collected the

remains, yet nothing else was heard. Sanderson seemed convinced

that the Smithsonian Institution had received the bizarre relics,

but wondered why they would not release the data. He asks, "...is

it that these people cannot face rewriting all the textbooks?"

In 1944 an accidental discovery of an even more controversial nature

was made by Waldemar Julsrud at Acambaro, Mexico. Acambaro is in

the state of Guanajuato, 175 miles northwest of Mexico City. The

strange archaeological site there yielded over 33,500 objects of

ceramic;stone, including jade; and knives of obsidian (sharper than

steel and still used today in heart surgery). Jalsrud, a prominent

local German merchant, also found statues ranging from less than an

inch to six feet in length depicting great reptiles, some of them in

ACTIVE ASSOCIATION with humans - generally eating them, but in some

bizarre statuettes an erotic association was indicated. To

observers many of these creatures resembled dinosaurs.

Jalsrud crammed this collection into twelve rooms of his expanded

house. There startling representations of Negroes, Orientals, and

bearded Caucasians were included as were motifs of Egyptians,

Sumerian and other ancient non-hemispheric civilisations, as well as

portrayals of Bigfoot and aquatic monsterlike creatures, weird

human-animal mixtures, and a host of other inexplicable creations.

Teeth from an extinct Ice Age horse, the skeleton of a mammoth, and

a number of human skulls were found at the same site as the ceramic


Radio-carbon dating in the laboratories of the University of

Pennsylvania and additional tests using the thermoluminescence

method of dating pottery were performed to determine the age of the

objects. Results indicated the objects were made about 6,500 years

ago, around 4,500 BC. A team of experts at another university,

shown Jalrud's half-dozen samples but unaware of their origin, ruled

out the possibility that they could have been modern reproductions.

However, they fell silent when told of their controversial source.

In 1952, in an effort to debunk this weird collection which was

gaining a certain amount of fame, American archaeologist Charles C.

DiPeso claimed to have minutely examined the then 32,000 pieces

within not more than four hours spent at the home of Julsrud. In a

forthcoming book, long delayed by continuing developments in his

investigation, archaeological investigator John H. Tierney, who has

lectured on the case for decades, points out that to have done that

DiPeso would have had to have inspected 133 pieces per minute

steadily for four hours, whereas in actuality, it would have

required weeks merely to have separated the massive jumble of

exhibits and arranged them properly for a valid evaluation.

Tierney, who collaborated with the later Professor Hapgood, the late

William N. Russell, and others in the investigation, charges that

the Smithsonian Institution and other archaeological authorities

conducted a campaign of disinformation against the discoveries. The

Smithsonian had, early in the controversy, dismissed the entire

Acambaro collection as an elaborate hoax. Also, utilising the

Freedom of Information Act, Tierney discovered that practically the

entirety of the Smithsonian's Julsrud case files are missing.

After two expeditions to the site in 1955 and 1968, Professor

Charles Hapgood, a professor of history and anthropology at the

University of New Hampshire, recorded the results of his 18-year

investigation of Acambaro in a privately printed book entitled

MYSTERY IN ACAMBARO. Hapgood was initially an open-minded skeptic

concerning the collection but became a believer after his first

visit in 1955, at which time he witnessed some of the figures being

excavated and even dictated to the diggers where he wanted them to


Adding to the mind-boggling aspects of this controversy is the fact

that the Instituto Nacional de Antropologia e Historia, through the

late Director of PreHispanic Monuments, Dr. Eduardo Noguera, (who,

as head of an official investigating team at the site, issued a

report which Tierney will be publishing), admitted "the apparent

scientific legality with which these objects wer found." Despite

evidence of their own eyes, however, officials declared that because

of the objects 'fantastic' nature, they had to have been a hoax

played on Julsrud!

A disappointed but ever-hopeful Julsrud died. His house was sold

and the collection put in storage. The collection is not currently

open to the public.

Perhaps the most amazing suppression of all is the excavation of an

Egyptian tomb by the Smithsonian itself in Arizona. A lengthy front

page story of the PHOENIX GAZETTE on 5 April 1909 (follows this

article), gave a highly detailed report of the discovery and

excavation of a rock-cut vault by an expedition led by a Professor

S.A. Jordan of the Smithsonian. The Smithsonian, however, claims to

have absolutely no knowledge of the discovery or its discoverers.

The World Explorers Club decided to check on this story by calling

the Smithsonian in Washington, D.C., though we felt there was little

chance of getting any real information. After speaking briefly to

an operator, we were transferred to a Smithsonian staff

archaeologist, and a woman's voice came on the phone and identified


I told her that I was investigating a story from a 1909 Phoenix

newspaper article about the Smithsonian Institution's having

excavated rock-cut vaults in the Grand Canyon where Egyptian

artifacts had been discovered, and whether the Smithsonian

Institution could give me any more information on the subject.

"Well, the first thing I can tell you, before we go any further,"

she said, "is that no Egyptian artifacts of any kind have ever been

found in North or South America. Therefore, I can tell you that the

Smithsonian Institute has never been involved in any such

excavations." She was quite helpful and polite but, in the end,

knew nothing. Neither she nor anyone else with whom I spoke could

find any record of the discovery or either G.E. Kinkaid and

Professor S.A. Jordan.

While it cannot be discounted that the entire story is an elaborate

newspaper hoax, the fact that it was on the front page, named the

prestigious Smithsonian Institution, and gave a highly detailed

story that went on for several pages, lends a great deal to its

credibility. It is hard to believe such a story could have come out

of thin air.

Is the Smithsonian Institution covering up an archaeological

discovery of immense importance? If this story is true it would

radically change the current view that there was no transoceanic

contact in pre-Columbian times, and that all American Indians, on

both continents, are descended from Ice Age explorers who came

across the Bering Strait. (Any information on G.E. Kinkaid and

Professor S.A. Jordan, or their alleged discoveries, that readers

may have would be greatly appreciated.....write to Childress at the

World Explorers Club at the above address.)

Is the idea that ancient Egyptians came to the Arizona area in the

ancient past so objectionable and preposterous that it must be

covered up? Perhaps the Smithsonian Institution is more interested

in maintaining the status quo than rocking the boat with astonishing

new discoveries that overturn previously accepted academic


Historian and linguist Carl Hart, editor of WORLD EXPLORER, then

obtained a hiker's map of the Grand Canyon from a bookstore in

Chicago. Poring over the map, we were amazed to see that much of

the area on the north side of the canyon has Egyptian names. The

area around Ninety-four Mile Creek and Trinity Creek had areas (rock

formations, apparently) with names like Tower of Set, Tower of Ra,

Horus Temple, Osiris Temple, and Isis Temple. In the Haunted Canyon

area were such names as the Cheops Pyramid, the Buddha Cloister,

Buddha Temple, Manu Temple and Shiva Temple. Was there any

relationship between these places and the alleged Egyptian

discoveries in the Grand Canyon?

We called a state archaeologist at the Grand Canyon, and were told

that the early explorers had just liked Egyptian and Hindu names,

but that it was true that this area was off limits to hikers or

other visitors, "because of dangerous caves."

Indeed, this entire area with the Egyptian and Hindu place names in

the Grand Canyon is a forbidden zone - no one is allowed into this

large area.

We could only conclude that this was the area where the vaults were

located. Yet today, this area is curiously off-limits to all hikers

and even, in large part, park personnel.

I believe that the discerning reader will see that if only a small

part of the "Smithsoniangate" evidence is true, then our most

hallowed archaeological institution has been actively involved in

suppressing evidence for advanced American cultures, evidence for

ancient voyages of various cultures to North America, evidence for

anomalistic giants and other oddball artifacts, and evidence that

tends to disprove the official dogma that is now the history of

North America.

The Smithsonian's Board of Regents still refuses to open its

meetings to the news media or the public. If Americans were ever

allowed inside the 'nation's attic', as the Smithsonian has been

called, what skeletons might they find?


from the front page of THE PHOENIX GAZETTE of April 5th, 1909


Mysteries of Immense Rich Cavern being brought to light

Jordan is enthused

Remarkable finds indicate ancient people migrated from Orient

The latest news of the progress of the explorations of what is now

regarded by scientists as not only the oldest archeological

discovery in the United States, but one of the most valuable in the

world, which was mentioned some time ago in the Gazette, was brought

to the city yesterday by G.E. Kinkaid, the explorer who found the

great underground citadel of the Grand Canyon during a trip from

Green River, Wyoming, down the Colorado, in a wooden boat, to Yuma,

several months ago.

According to the story related to the Gazette by Mr. Kinkaid, the

archaelogists of the Smithsonian Institute, which is financing the

expeditions, have made discoveries which almost conclusively prove

that the race which inhabited this mysterious cavern, hewn in solid

rock by human hands, was of oriental origin, possibly from Egypt,

tracing back to Ramses. If their theories are borne out by the

translation of the tablets engraved with heiroglyphics, the mystery

of the prehistoric peoples of North America, their ancient arts, who

they were and whence they came, will be solved. Egypt and the Nile,

and Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain

running back to ages which staggers the wildest fancy of the


A Thorough Examination

Under the direction of Prof. S. A. Jordan, the Smithsonian Institute

is now prosecuting the most thorough explorations, which will be

continued until the last link in the chain is forged. Nearly a mile

underground, about 1480 feet below the surface, the long main

passage has been delved into, to find another mammoth chamber from

which radiates scores of passageways, like the spokes of a wheel.

Several hundred rooms have been discovered, reached by passageways

running from the main passage, one of them having been explored for

854 feet and another 634 feet. The recent finds include articles

which have never been known as native to this country, and doubtless

they had their origin in the orient. War weapons, copper

instruments, sharp-edged and hard as steel, indicate the high state

of civilization reached by these strange people. So interested have

the scientists become that preparations are being made to equip the

camp for extensive studies, and the force will be increased to

thirty or forty persons.

Mr. Kinkaid's Report

Mr. Kinkaid was the first white child born in Idaho and has been an

explorer and hunter all his life, thirty years having been in the

service of the Smithsonian Institute. Even briefly recounted, his

history sounds fabulous, almost grotesque.

"First, I would impress that the cavern is nearly inaccessible. The

entrance is 1,486 feet down the sheer canyon wall. It is located on

government land and no visitor will be allowed there under penalty

of trespass. The scientists wish to work unmolested, without fear

of archeological discoveries being disturbed by curio or relic


A trip there would be fruitless, and the visitor would be sent on

his way. The story of how I found the cavern has been related, but

in a paragraph: I was journeying down the Colorado river in a boat,

alone, looking for mineral. Some forty-two miles up the river from

the El Tovar Crystal canyon, I saw on the east wall, stains in the

sedimentary formation about 2,000 feet above the river bed. There

was no trail to this point, but I finally reached it with great


Above a shelf which hid it from view from the river, was the mouth

of the cave. There are steps leading from this entrance some thirty

yards to what was, at the time the cavern was inhabited, the level

of the river. When I saw the chisel marks on the wall inside the

entrance, I became interested, securing my gun and went in. During

that trip I went back several hundred feet along the main passage

till I came to the crypt in which I discovered the mummies. One of

these I stood up and photographed by flashlight. I gathered a

number of relics, which I carried down the Colorado to Yuma, from

whence I shipped them to Washington with details of the discovery.

Following this, the explorations were undertaken.

The Passages

"The main passageway is about 12 feet wide, narrowing to nine feet

toward the farther end. About 57 feet from the entrance, the first

side-passages branch off to the right and left, along which, on both

sides, are a number of rooms about the size of ordinary living rooms

of today, though some are 30 by 40 feet square. These are entered

by oval-shaped doors and are ventilated by round air spaces through

the walls into the passages. The walls are about three feet six

inches in thickness.

The passages are chiseled or hewn as straight as could be laid out

by an engineer. The ceilings of many of the rooms converge to a

center. The side-passages near the entrance run at a sharp angle

from the main hall, but toward the rear they gradually reach a right

angle in direction.

The Shrine

"Over a hundred feet from the entrance is the cross-hall, several

hundred feet long, in which are found the idol, or image, of the

people's god, sitting cross-legged, with a lotus flower or lily in

each hand. The cast of the face is oriental, and the carving this

cavern. The idol almost resembles Buddha, though the scientists are

not certain as to what religious worship it represents. Taking into

consideration everything found thus far, it is possible that this

worship most resembles the ancient people of Tibet.

Surrounding this idol are smaller images, some very beautiful in

form; others crooked-necked and distorted shapes, symbolical,

probably, of good and evil. There are two large cactus with

protruding arms, one on each side of the dais on which the god

squats. All this is carved out of hard rock resembling marble. In

the opposite corner of this cross-hall were found tools of all

descriptions, made of copper. These people undoubtedly knew the

lost art of hardening this metal, which has been sought by chemicals

for centureis without result. On a bench running around the

workroom was some charcoal and other material probably used in the

process. There is also slag and stuff similar to matte, showing

that these ancients smelted ores, but so far no trace of where or

how this was done has been discovered, nor the origin of the ore.

"Among the other finds are vases or urns and cups of copper and

gold, made very artistic in design. The pottery work includes

enameled ware and glazed vessels. Another passageway leads to

granaries such as are found in the oriental temples. They contain

seeds of varous kinds. One very large storehouse has not yet been

entered, as it is twelve feet high and can be reached only from

above. Two copper hooks extend on the edge, which indicates that

some sort of ladder was attached. These granaries are rounded, as

the materials of which they are constructed, I think, is a ver hard

cement. A gray metal is also found in this cavern, which puzzles

the scientists, for its identity has not been established. It

resembles platinum. Strewn promiscuously over the floor everywhere

are what people call "cats eyse', a yellow stone of no great value.

Each one is engraved with the head of the Malay type.

The Hieroglyphics

"On all the urns, or walls over doorways , and tablets of stone

which were found by the image are the mysterious hieroglyphics, the

key to which the Smithsonian Institute hopes yet to discover. The

engraving on the tables probably has something to do with the

religion of the people. Similar hieroglyphics have been found in

southern Arizona. Among the pictorial writings, only two animals

are found. One is of prehistoric type.

The Crypt

"The tomb or crypt in which the mummies were found is one of the

largest of the chambers, the walls slanting back at an angle of

about 35 degrees. On these are tiers of mummies, each one occupying

a separate hewn shelf. At the head of each is a small bench, on

which is found copper cups and pieces of broken swords. Some of the

mummies are covered with clay, and all are wrapped in a bark fabric.

The urns or cups on the lower tiers are crude, while as the higher

shelves are reached, the urns are finer in design, showing a later

stage of civilization. It is worthy of note that all the mummies

examined so far have proved to be male, no children or females being

buried here. This leads to the belief that this exterior section

was the warriors' barracks.

"Among the discoveries no bones of animals have been found, no

skins, no clothing, no bedding. Many of the rooms are bare but for

water vessels. One room, about 40 by 700 feet, was probably the

main dining hall, for cooking utensils are found here. What these

people lived on is a problem, though it is presumed that they came

south in the winter and farmed in the valleys, going back north in

the summer.

Upwards of 50,000 people could have lived in the caverns

comfortably. One theory is that the present Indian tribes found in

Arizona are descendants of the serfs or slaves of the people which

inhabited the cave. Undoubtedly a good many thousands of years

before the Christian era, a people lived here which reached a high

stage of civilization. The chronology of human history is full of

gaps. Professor Jordan is much enthused over the discoveries and

believes that the find will prove of incalculable value in

archeological work.

"One thing I have not spoken of, may be of interest. There is one

chamber of the passageway to which is not ventilated, and when we

approached it a deadly, snaky smell struck us. Our light would not

penetrate the gloom, and until stronger ones are available we will

not know what the chamber contains. Some say snakes, but other

boo-hoo this idea and think it may contain a deadly gas or chemicals

used by the ancients. No sounds are heard, but it smells snaky just

the same. The whole underground installation gives one of shaky

nerves the creeps. The gloom is like a weight on one's shoulders,

and our flashlights and candles only make the darkness blacker.

Imagination can revel in conjectures and ungodly daydreams back

through the ages that have elapsed till the mind reels dizzily in


An Indian Legend

In connection with this story, it is notable that among the Hopi

Indians the tradition is told that their ancestors once lived in an

underworld in the Grand Canyon till dissension arose between the

good and the bad, the people of one heart and the people of two

hearts. Machetto, who was their chief, counseled them to leave the

underworld, but there was no way out. The chief then caused a tree

to grow up and pierce the roof of the underworld, and then the

people of one heart climbed out. They tarried by Paisisvai (Red

River), which is the Colorado, and grew grain and corn.

They sent out a message to the Temple of the Sun, asking the

blessing of peace, good will and rain for people of one heart. That

messenger never returned, but today at the Hopi villages at sundown

can be seen the old men of the tribe out on the housetops gazing

toward the sun, looking for the messenger. When he returns, their

lands and ancient dwelling place will be restored to them. That is

the tradition.

Among the engravings of animals in the cave is seen the image of a

heart over the spot where it is located. The legend was learned by

W.E. Rollins, the artist, during a year spent with the Hopi Indians.

There are two theories of the origin of the Egyptians. One is that

they came from Asia; another that the racial cradle was in the upper

Nile region. Heeren, an Egyptologist, believed in the Indian origin

of the Egyptians. The discoveries in the Grand Canyon may throw

further light on human evolution and prehistoric ages.


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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2008, 02:07:22 AM »

   I must ring in on this one... "Grand Canyon where Egyptian artifacts were found". This story has been kicked about forever by every 'diffusionist' site, and many others that are labeled 'fringe'. Unverified and unverifiable, especially when the wrong questions are asked of the right people. Every good myth or legend has the same properties, unverified/ unverifiable. In this case, a huge section of the Grand Canyon in which this discovery lies is off limits to the public. Arrest and fines are standard fare for violators. However, that doesn't mean that people have not been into this area despite it being off limits.

   A certain quiet group of hikers I have had contact with in the recent past assured me of the following; After researching all they could find on this story, several of them made an unlawful trek into the offlimits area of the Canyon to the area they determined was closest to where the alleged discovery was made. They claim that they came upon an large area that was covered in thousands of tons of concrete. I did not see this discovery myself, so I wish to make it perfectly clear that it may be another story like the original. However, I had some other dealings with these same people, and always found them to be sober, honest, and forthright in everything they did. Which means nothing as far as veracity goes in this other matter. I would personally have to see it in order to state for certain that it is true.

  The concrete means that all the materials had to have been flown in, there are no roads anywhere nearby, and since no private party would be allowed to traverse this airspace and land on off- limits govt land, only one entity could have done the job, if indeed a job has been done. The hikers concluded that this cave entrance is what was covered by the concrete. They also offered to take me to the place, but to date I have not taken them up on the offer. They offered me photos, and I don't recall if I ever saw those or not. I have no valid reason to doubt these folk, but I have been lied to before in other situations. Unverified, possibly not unverifiable. But say I do go and find a big pile of concrete, that would prove little or nothing, except that they were telling the truth. I am very reluctant to even post this much, as it tends to perpetuate a possible myth.


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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2008, 04:22:22 AM »

Oh, this is great Bart.  Here you are the HHI oracle to the world and you can't hike over?


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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 04:45:40 AM »

    Oracle indeed. I hiked there oracly (?), and the concrete is there, and it covers the cave entrance that leads to the giant Egytians and rooms full of gold. One small problem, I couldn't oracly remove the tons of concrete.

   Physically, the hike would be about 1200 miles from where I live. I wasn't able to take the hike when the offer was made, and am not able to hike for two weeks on foot at the present time. I have been fortunate enough to have had several very fantastic offers of similar nature in the past several years. I have tried to interest others I felt were 'qualified' to go in my place, with no luck. Any suggestions?


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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2008, 04:51:59 AM »

I've been a canyoneer for a few decades and made my last raft ride and hike there last September.  Give me some GPS coordinates.  My knees hurt sometimes but I bet I can make it, but if I can't go, I'll find someone who can.



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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2008, 05:31:38 AM »

Yeah!  Where is this place?  Accessible by Google Earth?

What else you got, Bart?


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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2008, 06:04:44 AM »

Well Barry, here is the situation at the moment. I have pretty much lost contact with this group, but will try to reestablish contact tomorrow. I would recommend you to them and if they are still active with their quests, I am sure you could get an invite. They hike into many different areas for different reasons, it seems they are more into the journey experience than changing history.

Flea, what else do I have... I very seriously considered traveling with a searcher for this past summer. He has much past success in his desert and mountain endeavors. Mostly he needs a camp caretaker while he hikes off for the day to follow up on his research. Camp skills, firearm skills, good common sense, and wilderness smarts are a big  plus. The wife wouldn't be able to cope with me gone for 3-6 months, or something along that line... I believe he will be looking for help again next spring. You can see why it would be difficult to find someone to fit the bill.

There is another situation in the works, which, if it is what I think it is, will be something I will involve myself in. We will see...

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2008, 07:44:03 AM »

Yes, Cappy B.

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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2008, 02:28:19 PM »

So, do you think They ever hide finds from us in an attempt to control history?

They? Us, I think. We practice archaeology and are students of history.

Offhand, the only case I can think of is Drumanagh, the remains of the largest promontory fort in Ireland. Archaeologists worked on the site for years and withheld publishing their findings.

Ireland has a tendency to see itself as virginal Celt, so the idea of Roman occupation could be seen as heretical, if not treasonable. And who, with Sinn F�in and the Irish Republican Army as part of the political landscape, wanted to contest that? Certainly not a British archaeologist.

The question is wrong, I think, in that it suggests that scientists have an agenda other than science, whereas, in my view, when history is misrepresented, it is generally for either a commercial or political motive. We have noted this here, in History Hunters, on a number of topics.

Other than those commercial and political enterprises and the very rare example of an individual rogue scientist , I see one other group involved in manufacturing false archaeology and history. This group and the focus of its interests seems to be entirely American. The Burrows Cave fraud is one example of their activity, though there are many more. Their concern seems to be to try and 'prove' that indigenous peoples are not responsible for their achievements. Their method is to present fake evidence for outside influence.

If I can find the time, I will present a list of example.


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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2008, 03:53:18 AM »

Well Barry, I looked high, low, and nearly everwhere in between, and I am still looking. Last contact I had with them was when they had just moved to Phoenix AZ, they are a private group that conducts a few select wilderness hikes each year, take photos, and disturb nothing, they are definitely not treasure hunters. His name is on the tip of my tongue, and this is going to nag me until it comes back... I will assign it to the deep oracular data bank and sleep on it.  Many a machine has been fixed, and many a problem solved over the years using that method, always the tough ones. I fixed a Cray computer that way once.

GPS was fairly new back then, and I don't recall them mentionuing that it was used. It is good to know that there is someone like you, and others out there who may be able to avail themselves of such opportunities. Of course we would expect a report here on HH of any such expeditions, if possible.


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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2008, 04:45:35 AM »

They hike into many different areas for different reasons, it seems they are more into the journey experience than changing history

I like that part.  I have doubts any history would be changed but I love the hikes.  Used to be, the tougher the more fun.  Maybe that's why the knees hurt now.  It sounds like fun but I probably couldn't keep up with them anyway.  Youngsters!  But let me know if you run across the info.

I'm not much of a believer in unsolved cover-ups and govt conspiracies to change history.  I spent my career working for various forms of government and living with the layers of clearance levels, and if there is anything I have learned, it's that as long as one person knows it, it's a secret.  As soon as he or she tells someone else, it's not a secret anymore.  And the more conspiracies you can tell me about, the more it proves my point.   



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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2008, 06:15:36 PM »

Good point Barry. They are not youngsters, they are quite close to our age for the most part. Glucosamine condroitin helps immensely with these old knees, if you haven't tried it, I highly recommend it.


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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2008, 08:16:28 PM »

I see nothing posted in this topic so far that justifies the title. I suggest that if anyone intends to make a justification, then they pick an example and run with it.



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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2008, 09:35:59 PM »

Hey Sport!

This is a conversation.  That's what we do here in the coffee shop!


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